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- Date: Sat 17 Oct 87 09:42:01-GMT
- From: Jeff Shulman <SHULMAN@SDR>
- Subject: Delphi Mac Digest V3 #47
-
- Delphi Mac Digest Saturday, October 17, 1987 Volume 3 : Issue 47
-
- Today's Topics:
- Math typesetting (2 messages)
- RE: Hard disks.... (2 messages)
- RE: How to get info into HyperCard
- re: SE and mouse tracking
- DLOG/DITL on Mac II (2 messages)
- RE: Trouble with Power Station
- RE: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #79
- BMUG MacToberFest fair
- smart quotes
- Hard disks...
- RE: MultiFinder
- Apple Earnings - GOOD News
- HyperTalk question (2 messages)
- Shutdown
- Mac II ROMs (several versions?)
- Searching for the message. (6 messages)
- RE: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #82
- setting screen depth (2 messages)
-
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: HAGIHARA
- Subject: Math typesetting
- Date: 10-OCT 03:32 Public Domain
-
- Hello. I have seen your program, Expressionist. While it has a lot of
- plusses, I find it extremely painful to go through italicizing the
- variables in the equation. Also while WYSIWYG approach is neat, I still
- like the precise action of TeX. Do you have any plan to implement
- code-oriented features in your program? By then I will be a registered
- owner ...
- Dave
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: DSACHS
- Subject: RE: Math typesetting (Re: Msg 22783)
- Date: 10-OCT 15:04 Public Domain
-
- One problem with Expressionist is the very porr representation of
- integral signs and braces. This is obvious when the graphics output of
- Expressionist Maceqn, MathType, MathWriter and Microsoft Word are
- displayed on a single page.
-
- I have disected the Expressionist integral sign into its 6 components, 4
- arcs and 2 ovals. All the other programs use the Symbol font. MathType
- and MathWriter even use the mulit-part representations..
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: RE: Hard disks.... (Re: Msg 22785)
- Date: 10-OCT 16:43 Hardware & Peripherals
-
- I'm very happy with my Jasmine 80. I bought it at the Expo and it
- arrived about 2 weeks later. Works perfectly, it's not very noisy, it's
- fast, and I recommend it to anyone. The driver software I have only
- works on the the Plus /SE, but at the time I bought it I asked about Mac
- II because I intended this to be the first part of my Mac II that I buy.
- Jasmine should have the Mac II driver software ready by now.
-
- I have heard that the CMS units are also very good, and not much
- different in price.
-
- peter
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: NATURAL
- Subject: RE: Hard disks.... (Re: Msg 22794)
- Date: 10-OCT 20:35 Hardware & Peripherals
-
- Bri and Peter... on some of the BBSs around, people have been
- complaining about the CMS drive, particulairly, the 80s, so be alert.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: RE: How to get info into HyperCard (Re: Msg 22786)
- Date: 10-OCT 17:07 Network Digests
-
- >Date: Wed, 7 Oct 87 7:29:11 MST
- >From: Major John Buono
- >From: <buono%asbf-imp.huachuca-em.arpa@HUACHUCA-EM.ARPA>
- >Subject: How to get info into HyperCard
-
- [I don't have mail access, so I am posting this to the digest:]
-
- >That is, how can you easily get information into a stack without the very
- >time consuming venture of sitting at a keyboard and clicking aware. To
- >give an example. I recently completed a stack for keeping tack of my library
- >of books, records, video tapes and audio tapes. This collection is very
- >large (over 2000 books alone). Now that the stack is completed I have to
- >sit down for about 2 to 3 weeks of doing nothing but typing piece by piece
- >to get the information in.
-
- I have had in the back on my mind for the last ten years "putting my
- book titles etc on the computer". Although I may never get around to
- doing this, let me mention that I figured the best way to proceed is to
- buy one of those laptop machines (Tandy model 100's are very cheap these
- days, although you would want to beef up the memory) and use that to key
- in the data. That way I don't have to make a production out of bringing
- the Mac to the books or the books to the Mac and disrupting my workplace
- for a couple of weeks.
-
- Once the data is in the laptop, it's easy to transfer it to the Mac as a
- text file, print it out for proofreading, and so on. Then you use
- HyperTalk to read the text file and produce the stack. It's easy to
- write HyperTalk programs to accommodate your input format, and while
- they may not be super efficient, you can always leave the Mac chewing at
- the file overnight.
-
- I think it's also a good idea to pursue this task incrementally. That
- is, don't take 2 or 3 weeks off to do it (you'll never get the time),
- but plan to take 3 or 4 months and do a little bit at a time, gradually
- building up the stack. This has the added advantage that you have
- something to show for your efforts right away, to cheer you on when it
- gets to be a drag.
-
- >Wouldn't it be nice to be sent a
- >hypercard stack of the index to a magazine that could be easily loaded (hmm
- >maybe the cauzin reader will pay off yet).
-
- The Cauzin reader is better than typing in the text, but for any file
- that takes more than two pages of the magazine (optimistically 60-70K at
- the highest density) it is much better to download the file from a
- telecomm service. HyperCard stacks are not bulky per se, but people
- have been taking advantage of the sound features and including very
- large 'snd ' resources in some of the stacks you have heard about. For
- stacks which really need 2 megabytes or more, I think the solution is to
- use disks as an exchange medium, not telecomm.
-
- peter "In any context, half of all references
- PEABO @ DELPHI are local and half are global."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: re: SE and mouse tracking (Re: Msg 22787)
- Date: 10-OCT 17:27 Network Digests
-
- >From: mlwh%sphinx@Sun.COM (Martin Hall)
- >Subject: SE and mouse tracking
- >Date: 5 Oct 87 05:12:55 GMT
-
- >Is there a general problem with mouse tracking and Mac SEs?
-
- All the new mouses do tracking of position locally in the mouse, and
- send messages to the Mac with the position. Older ("classic" mouses)
- send digitzer pulses to the Mac, which tracks the mouse position. So,
- on an old Mac, when things get busy (principally disk I/O), the mouse is
- sluggish because some of the pulses are lost which interrupts are
- disabled. But on new Macs, the mouse gets "jumpy" instead, because the
- mouse position is accurately tracked but the screen position is updated
- less frequently. It gets worse though, because when the mouse is set to
- one of its accelerator modes (using the Control panel), jumpy
- coordinates get interpreted by the Mac as gross movements and the
- software assumes you want to move the mouse faster than 1:1.
-
- peter "In any context, half of all references
- PEABO @ DELPHI are local and half are global."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: MWEASNER
- Subject: DLOG/DITL on Mac II
- Date: 9-OCT-23:03: Macintosh Developers
-
- While working on a new version of an application I came across something
- that seems rather strange. I hope someone can shed some light on this.
-
- The original version worked on the MacPlus, SE, and II without problems
- (don't know about the 64K ROM Macs). However, the new version would
- bomb on the Mac II with a bus error but still worked on the Plus and SE.
- After much head scratching I finally found the problem. I had changed
- a WIND resource to a DLOG resource but had neglected to add the item
- list ID or even add a DITL resource. Once this oversight was corrected,
- the program worked on the Mac II.
-
- Now, can someone tell me:
-
- 1. why a program with a DLOG but without a corresponding DITL works on the
- MacPlus and SE,
-
- and
-
- 2. why such a program doesn't work on the Mac II and gives a bus error of
- all things.
-
- Please post your answer here to save others the grief I went through.
-
- Thanks.
-
- Mike Weasner
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: RE: DLOG/DITL on Mac II (Re: Msg 2095)
- Date: 10-OCT 00:13 Macintosh Developers
-
- My guess is that it is dereferencing zero and location zero has
- different things in it on the Mac II vs. the older machines. You might
- try looking around with the debugger and seeing what would happen if the
- ROM tried to use zero as the address of a handle to the DITL.
-
- peter
-
- [ Also, referencing memory that doesn't exist will cause a bus fault on the
- Mac II (it wraps around on earlier Macs.) - Jeff ]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: WISNERS
- Subject: RE: Trouble with Power Station (Re: Msg 22772)
- Date: 11-OCT 19:56 Creative Pursuits
-
-
- John I don't own Power Station, but I have discovered that the bug you
- refer to is not unique to Power Station. Apparently the routine that
- updates the Master Directory or Desktop on the floppies using System
- 6.0b-x has a flaw. Using MS Word 3.01 I thrashed 2 floppies using 6.0b.
- I guess that either Word or Apple didn't get that particular routine
- right-my guess is Apple. We'll see when 6.0 is "officially" released.
-
- Steve Wisner (WISNERS)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: ASMCOR
- Subject: RE: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #79 (Re: Msg 22787)
- Date: 11-OCT 23:24 Network Digests
-
- To Ted Johnson-
- The high-pitched sound is called an 'alias' and it is normal. It is a
- function of the not-very-expensive sound chip in the Mac. There's no way
- to avoid it through software, at least not with the square wave
- generator. Even in four-voice mode it's noticeable at some frequencies.
- Jan
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: BMUG
- Subject: BMUG MacToberFest fair
- Date: 14-OCT 05:08 MUGS Online
-
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-
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-
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-
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-
-
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-
-
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-
- The Show for USERS
-
- Thursday, October 22nd
- Pauley Ballroom
- UC Berkeley campus
- Berkeley, California
- 11 am - 7 pm
-
- Whether you're a true beginner or an ace programmer on the Macintosh,
- you'll be fascinated at MacToberFest. See the latest in Macintosh
- developments, demonstrated by end-users! There will be seminars,
- exhibits of high-end & exotic products, over $5,000 in door prizes
- (including a Macintosh system donated by Apple Computer), and much, much
- more!
-
- At 7:30 pm in Physical Sciences Lecture hall, BILL ATKINSON, author of
- HYPERCARD, will discuss his latest creation. The next day, there will
- be a 4th Dimension seminar by ACIUS at the BMUG office in Berkeley.
-
-
- ALL EVENTS ARE ABSOLUTELY FREE!
-
- Exhibitors include:
-
- Cricket Software Neuron Data
- Farallon Computing Palomar Software
- Interleaf Radius
- Kinetics Silicon Beach Software
- Letraset USA SuperMac Technologies
- LevCo TOPS
- National Instruments VersaCAD
- National Semiconductor
-
-
- For more information, contact BMUG at (415) 849-9114 anytime!
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: DDUNHAM
- Subject: smart quotes (Re: Msg 22826)
- Date: 14-OCT 21:20 Network Digests
-
- > From: PUGH@NMFECC.ARPA
- > Subject: Laser Quotes INIT
-
- While these INITs may be useful, I don't consider them truly smart,
- because they can't take into account context (i.e. you can't click an
- insertion point and type a quote and get it to curve correctly). The
- only way to do it right is to build it in to a program.
-
- It appears that Ann Arbor has been pressured into putting "smart quotes"
- into FullWrite. I suggest we all bug other word processor people to do
- the same. In act, I make my algorithm available to any publisher who
- wants it, in essence for free (I'd like to guarantee that everyone does
- it the same way). It only takes a few lines of code.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: HALL
- Subject: Hard disks...
- Date: 14-OCT 22:47 Hardware & Peripherals
-
- I've been looking around at some hard disks (see my previous messages
- for the whole sordid story ;-) ), and of the fifteen or so companies
- I've contacted (or tried to contact), the NuData drive seem to be some
- of the best. (OK, the best, but I won't guarantee it...) Their prices
- are kind of high, but they seem to be well built, use good components,
- and the salesman knows what he's talking about. (They also give some
- pretty good developer discounts, in case any developers are
- interested... ;-) ) They make 20MB, 40MB, 90MB drives and up. In the
- 20MB and 40MB drives they use Fujitsu drives. (Non-RLL. They buy the
- controllers from SMS, SuperMac's parent company. They could get the
- same RLL controller that SuperMac is trying to use in their drives (not
- too successfully), but say they aren't good enough.) In the 90MB and
- bigger drives, they use CDC drives. I had them run DiskTimer II on the
- 90MB drive, and it was impressive. At 3 to 1 interleave, on a Mac II,
- it did 21 in the reads, 48 in the writes (they don't use a blind write
- like most people do), and 6 in the seeks. That's more than twice as
- fast (in the reads and seeks) than a DataFrame 60XP.
-
- Before I run out and buy one (or several), has anyone used a NuData
- drive? How reliable are the Fujitsu and CDC drive mechanisms?
-
- Thanks, Brian
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: STEVEMALLER
- Subject: RE: MultiFinder (Re: Msg 22828)
- Date: 15-OCT 02:19 Business Mac
-
- Yup. I went across the street today and picked up the "gold" masters.
-
- System 4.2
- Finder 6.0
- MultiFinder 1.0
- Font/DA Mover 3.5
- ...and so on
-
- Nice to see real software for a change. I suspect that we'll have 'em
- available
-
- here before too long. But be forewarned: the new stuff is big. For
- example, here is a directory from System Tools 1:
-
- Name Size Last-Mod-Date
- -------------------- ------ -----------------
- DeskTop 13K 10/12/87 8:03 AM
- TeachText 23K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
- Clipboard File 1K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
- Color 3K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
- DAJHandler 6K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
- Easy Access 4K 4/14/87 12:00 PM
- Finder 99K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
- General 14K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
- Key Layout 4K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
- Keyboard 5K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
- Monitors 17K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
- Mouse 4K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
- MultiFinder 55K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
- Scrapbook File 12K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
- Sound 4K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
- Startup Device 3K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
- System 321K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
- Read Me 10K 10/12/87 8:00 AM
- Apple HD SC Setup 27K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
- Installer 32K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
- Macintosh II Script 6K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
- Macintosh Plus ScripI 5K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
- Macintosh SE Script 5K 10/8/87 12:00 PM
-
- GOOD GRIEF! Can you believe that the Finder is almost 100K? Oy vey! And
- imagine downloading the System (321K)? What do you'all think? Should we
- upload this stuff?
-
- Ciao,
-
- Steve Maller
- Apple Computer
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: STEVEMALLER
- Subject: Apple Earnings - GOOD News
- Date: 15-OCT 02:44 Business Mac
-
- Strong Sales and Earnings Gains
-
- Cupertino, California. October 14, 1987. Apple Computer, Inc. reported
- strong increases in net sales and earnings in fourth quarter and fiscal
- year results for the periods ending September 25, 1987.
-
- Net sales rose to $786.4 million during the fourth fiscal quarter, a 54
- percent increase over the corresponding quarter in the prior year.
- Fourth quarter earnings climbed to $0.54 per share, a 116 percent
- increase compared to $0.25 per share, (as adjusted for a two-for-one
- stock split effected on May 15, 1987) , in the comparable period of the
- prior year.
-
- For the full year, Apple's sales rose by 40 percent to $2.66 billion
- from $1.90 billion in fiscal 1986. Net earnings for fiscal year 1987
- were $217 million, a 41 percent increase above the $154 million recorded
- in fiscal 1986. Earnings per share were $1.65 per share compared to
- earnings of $1.20 per share, (adjusted for the two-for-one stock split)
- in fiscal year 1986.
-
- "Our new products are shipping in record numbers," declared John
- Sculley, chairman and chief executive officer. The Macintosh family of
- products is shipping at its highest level ever."
-
- "Our education sales remain strong", said Sculley. "The AppleIIGS has
- helped us maintain a leadership position in the kindergarten through
- grade 12 market by shipping in record volumes during this school year's
- first education buying season. The Macintosh family of products is
- selling very well in the higher education market.
-
- "We are very encouraged by the strength of demand for Apple products,"
- added Sculley. "We have taken this opportunity to increase sales and
- marketing expenses in order to support further market expansion. During
- the current quarter we increased our field sales staff in the U. S. by
- approximately 25 percent from the end of the previous quarter."
-
- "Fiscal year 1987 has been a year of record achievement for Apple
- Computer," noted Sculley. "We successfully introduced many new products
- throughout the year. They have been well accepted, particularly in the
- business market. We have now completed the repositioning of Apple and
- enter fiscal year 1988 with strong momentum and a full complement of new
- products."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: DEWI
- Subject: HyperTalk question
- Date: 15-OCT 03:35 Creative Pursuits
-
- I need to say something like "number of cards of background XYZ" in a
- stack I'm toying with. It doesn't seem to be possible for some reason.
- Anybody have any suggestions short of maintaining a count in a field
- somewhere?
- Many thanks, Dewi.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: STEVEMALLER
- Subject: RE: HyperTalk question (Re: Msg 22861)
- Date: 16-OCT 00:21 Creative Pursuits
-
- In response to your question regarding how to get "the number of cards
- in background XYZ", I don't think there is a way to do it. Bummer, huh.
- Nevertheless, here is a script I just tested and it works fine for the
- same purpose. Not too fast, but it works...
-
- set lockscreen to true
- push card
- go to first card of bkgnd 1
- put 0 into numCards
- put the id of this card into cardOne
- put true into running
- repeat until not running
- if the number of this bkgnd is 1 then
- add 1 to numCards
- end if
- go to next card
- if the id of this card is cardOne then put false into running
- end repeat
- pop card
- set lockscreen to false
- put numCards && "cards in this background..."
-
- Understand? Good...
-
- Steve Maller
- Apple Computer
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: MACENGLISH
- Subject: Shutdown
- Date: 15-OCT 23:39 Bugs & Features
-
- When I select shut down, I get a messages that says "You may safely
- switch off your machine now." There is also a restart button. When I
- click on the restart button, sometimes it restarts my SE and sometimes
- it crashes, so I have to turn off the Mac. Any explanations?
-
- Debbie
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: INTECO
- Subject: Mac II ROMs (several versions?)
- Date: 16-OCT 15:52 Macintosh II
-
- It seems to me that there exists at least two versions of the Mac II
- roms! At least mine have no PaletteManager... ($AA90...) Uwe
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: NATURAL
- Subject: Searching for the message.
- Date: 16-OCT 17:27 Creative Pursuits
-
- No, this is not a moonie post.
-
- For some reason, when I search for the word 'message' in a script from a
- script, it doesn't seem to find it. Anyone know why? Is this a key
- word or something?
-
- Tx.
-
- josh
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: RE: Searching for the message. (Re: Msg 22876)
- Date: 16-OCT 19:53 Creative Pursuits
-
- It should work, but take note that "message" has more synonyms than any
- other HyperTalk word: message, msg, msg box, msg window, etc.
-
- You are putting "message" in quotes, right? If you don't it will take
- what ever is in the message box and use that as the search string.
-
- peter
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: NATURAL
- Subject: RE: Searching for the message. (Re: Msg 22883)
- Date: 16-OCT 23:55 Creative Pursuits
-
- Bingo. No quotes. That's it.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: NATURAL
- Subject: RE: Searching for the message. (Re: Msg 22888)
- Date: 16-OCT 23:57 Creative Pursuits
-
- While on the subject of HyperQuestions...
-
- Is there anyway to recover from a disapearing field. It was transparent
- and I know it's there but I think it's hidden. Hmm, maybe a show all
- fields... Off to the HyperBible.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: RE: Searching for the message. (Re: Msg 22889)
- Date: 17-OCT 01:34 Creative Pursuits
-
- put 0 in num repeat for the number of fields on this card
- show field num
- add 1 to num end repeat
-
- peter
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: STEVEMALLER
- Subject: RE: Searching for the message. (Re: Msg 22890)
- Date: 17-OCT 03:38 Creative Pursuits
-
- An easier way of showing all fields on a card...
-
- repeat with i = 1 to the number of card fields
- show card field i
- end repeat
- repeat with i = 1 to the number of bkgnd fields
- show bkgnd field i
- end repeat
-
- Steve Maller
- Apple Computer
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: DSACHS
- Subject: RE: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #82 (Re: Msg 22880)
- Date: 16-OCT 20:58 Network Digests
-
- RE: newton@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu (Mike Newton) request for larger file
- names from Finder: The public domain program "Layout" may be of some
- help.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: JOSEF
- Subject: setting screen depth
- Date: 17-OCT 02:49 Programming Techniques
-
- I have an application which for reasons of speed, has to write directly
- to the screen. Before doing so, I would like to be able to set the
- screen depth momentarily back to 1. I cant find anything in IM-V about
- how to do this. Does anybody know?
-
- Joe
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: STEVEMALLER
- Subject: RE: setting screen depth (Re: Msg 2108)
- Date: 17-OCT 03:43 Programming Techniques
-
- Joe,
-
- It would be faster to write directly to an offscreen grafport that is
- one bit deep, then do a CopyBits(offMap,thePort^.portBits...) to the
- real screen. You see, if you are going to bump the Mac screen back and
- forth between 1 and n bits, you are actually going to take moretime,
- expecially if MultiFinder is running. Haven't you ever done that on the
- Control Panel "Monitors" cdev? Takes a moment to figure it out.
-
- Let's face it: the days of direct screen access are numbered. If you are
- on a color system, you are going to have to suck it in and be a model
- citizen...
-
- Steve Maller
- Apple Computer
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- End of Delphi Mac Digest
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